1 00:00:22,250 --> 00:00:09,080 welcome to the skeptic zone the podcast 2 00:00:29,370 --> 00:00:25,050 hello and welcome to the skeptics are an 3 00:00:32,670 --> 00:00:29,380 episode number 3 38 338 for the twelfth 4 00:00:36,510 --> 00:00:32,680 of April 2015 Richard Saunders here with 5 00:00:38,460 --> 00:00:36,520 you from Sydney Australia a cooler 6 00:00:41,490 --> 00:00:38,470 Sydney Australia the weather is starting 7 00:00:43,979 --> 00:00:41,500 to cool down autumn is here it's a nice 8 00:00:46,079 --> 00:00:43,989 time of the year on this week's show we 9 00:00:50,310 --> 00:00:46,089 speak to Andhra spinda from the 10 00:00:52,290 --> 00:00:50,320 Hungarian skeptics yes hungry hmm what 11 00:00:55,229 --> 00:00:52,300 place will we visit next in Europe I 12 00:00:57,000 --> 00:00:55,239 wonder or anywhere around the world I do 13 00:00:59,520 --> 00:00:57,010 like having skeptics from around the 14 00:01:01,729 --> 00:00:59,530 world coming on the show we're going to 15 00:01:03,929 --> 00:01:01,739 find out what's going on in hungry with 16 00:01:06,240 --> 00:01:03,939 skepticism going to get up to what 17 00:01:08,850 --> 00:01:06,250 they're looking at what their opinion is 18 00:01:10,530 --> 00:01:08,860 what they like to drink of their 19 00:01:12,950 --> 00:01:10,540 favorite restaurant it now lot all sorts 20 00:01:15,929 --> 00:01:12,960 of things coming up when we talk to the 21 00:01:17,539 --> 00:01:15,939 Hungarian skeptics and I was so glad 22 00:01:21,780 --> 00:01:17,549 when they made contact with me and 23 00:01:23,730 --> 00:01:21,790 suggested that we have an interview nice 24 00:01:25,649 --> 00:01:23,740 work and following that it's a week 25 00:01:29,219 --> 00:01:25,659 insights from the Royal Institution of 26 00:01:32,940 --> 00:01:29,229 Australia in Adelaide RI odds are I aus 27 00:01:35,999 --> 00:01:32,950 dog a you what a popular segment a week 28 00:01:37,980 --> 00:01:36,009 in science is and then it's Maynard 29 00:01:40,709 --> 00:01:37,990 spooky action the other week may not 30 00:01:44,459 --> 00:01:40,719 join us at skeptics in the pub and he 31 00:01:47,609 --> 00:01:44,469 speaks to Gabriel mastin about diet and 32 00:01:49,200 --> 00:01:47,619 food myths and and all the nonsense that 33 00:01:50,520 --> 00:01:49,210 goes along with what you should eat or 34 00:01:52,469 --> 00:01:50,530 what you shouldn't eat or what the 35 00:01:54,539 --> 00:01:52,479 latest failures or don't eat this or 36 00:01:56,459 --> 00:01:54,549 don't drink that or gluten is bad or 37 00:01:58,859 --> 00:01:56,469 gluten is okay and then gluten is bad 38 00:02:02,309 --> 00:01:58,869 again I had some gluten the other day 39 00:02:04,980 --> 00:02:02,319 I'm sure I did that's coming up to round 40 00:02:07,109 --> 00:02:04,990 off the show but before we get stuck 41 00:02:09,480 --> 00:02:07,119 into the interviews very important news 42 00:02:13,530 --> 00:02:09,490 coming out of Australia and it's really 43 00:02:16,530 --> 00:02:13,540 just our exploded today so to speak 44 00:02:20,720 --> 00:02:16,540 exploded onto the media the federal 45 00:02:24,720 --> 00:02:20,730 government is acting on people who 46 00:02:27,360 --> 00:02:24,730 basically dodge the vax we might be able 47 00:02:30,899 --> 00:02:27,370 to say tightening up a loophole that 48 00:02:33,899 --> 00:02:30,909 gave parents and out when they didn't 49 00:02:34,500 --> 00:02:33,909 want to vaccinate their children it's 50 00:02:36,300 --> 00:02:34,510 best if 51 00:02:40,770 --> 00:02:36,310 I read in fact I'll read the press 52 00:02:43,199 --> 00:02:40,780 release from our Scott Morrison who is 53 00:02:44,670 --> 00:02:43,209 the Federal Minister for Social Services 54 00:02:47,460 --> 00:02:44,680 and I'm sure this will give you a better 55 00:02:50,039 --> 00:02:47,470 idea now we'll be covering this story I 56 00:02:53,039 --> 00:02:50,049 think in next week's episode as well 57 00:02:55,979 --> 00:02:53,049 because it's only just it's only really 58 00:02:57,479 --> 00:02:55,989 hit the Airways today and I'm sure in 59 00:02:59,819 --> 00:02:57,489 the coming week there's just going to be 60 00:03:02,789 --> 00:02:59,829 enormous reaction to this news from the 61 00:03:05,460 --> 00:03:02,799 flying monkeys the anti-vaccination 62 00:03:08,130 --> 00:03:05,470 crowd so here is the release as 63 00:03:13,589 --> 00:03:08,140 published on the website of Scott 64 00:03:16,890 --> 00:03:13,599 Morrison DSS govt you know jab no play 65 00:03:19,680 --> 00:03:16,900 and no pay for childcare 12th of April 66 00:03:22,250 --> 00:03:19,690 2015 joint media release with Prime 67 00:03:25,170 --> 00:03:22,260 Minister the Honorable Tony Abbott MP 68 00:03:27,750 --> 00:03:25,180 the Commonwealth Government will end the 69 00:03:30,589 --> 00:03:27,760 conscientious objector exemption on 70 00:03:33,690 --> 00:03:30,599 children's vaccinations for access to 71 00:03:36,180 --> 00:03:33,700 taxpayer-funded child care benefits the 72 00:03:39,089 --> 00:03:36,190 childcare rebate and the Family Tax 73 00:03:41,879 --> 00:03:39,099 Benefit Part A end-of-year supplement 74 00:03:43,830 --> 00:03:41,889 from 1 january 2016 parents who 75 00:03:45,539 --> 00:03:43,840 vaccinate their children should have 76 00:03:48,360 --> 00:03:45,549 confidence that they can take their 77 00:03:50,369 --> 00:03:48,370 children to child care without the fear 78 00:03:53,000 --> 00:03:50,379 that their children will be at risk at 79 00:03:55,680 --> 00:03:53,010 contracting a serious or potentially 80 00:03:58,379 --> 00:03:55,690 life-threatening illness because of the 81 00:04:01,530 --> 00:03:58,389 conscientious objections of others from 82 00:04:04,559 --> 00:04:01,540 1 january 2016 conscientious objection 83 00:04:07,020 --> 00:04:04,569 will be removed as an exemption category 84 00:04:09,629 --> 00:04:07,030 for child care payments child care 85 00:04:12,270 --> 00:04:09,639 benefit and childcare rebate and the 86 00:04:15,270 --> 00:04:12,280 Family Tax Benefit Part A and the Veer 87 00:04:18,390 --> 00:04:15,280 supplement immunization requirements for 88 00:04:20,520 --> 00:04:18,400 the payment of FTB Part A and Devere 89 00:04:23,219 --> 00:04:20,530 supplement will also be extended to 90 00:04:25,980 --> 00:04:23,229 include children of all ages currently 91 00:04:29,610 --> 00:04:25,990 vaccination status is only checked at 92 00:04:31,710 --> 00:04:29,620 ages 12 and five years existing 93 00:04:33,960 --> 00:04:31,720 exemptions on medical or religious 94 00:04:36,149 --> 00:04:33,970 grounds will continue however a 95 00:04:39,600 --> 00:04:36,159 religious objection will only be 96 00:04:41,550 --> 00:04:39,610 available where the person is affiliated 97 00:04:44,700 --> 00:04:41,560 with a religious group where the 98 00:04:46,770 --> 00:04:44,710 governing body as a formal registered 99 00:04:48,780 --> 00:04:46,780 objection approved by the 100 00:04:50,730 --> 00:04:48,790 government this means that vaccine 101 00:04:53,490 --> 00:04:50,740 objectives will not be able to access 102 00:04:55,860 --> 00:04:53,500 these government payments the new policy 103 00:04:57,629 --> 00:04:55,870 will tighten up the rules and reinforce 104 00:05:00,240 --> 00:04:57,639 the importance of immunization and 105 00:05:03,420 --> 00:05:00,250 protecting public health especially for 106 00:05:05,490 --> 00:05:03,430 children Australia now has childhood 107 00:05:08,310 --> 00:05:05,500 vaccination rates over ninety percent 108 00:05:10,470 --> 00:05:08,320 from one to five years of age but more 109 00:05:12,930 --> 00:05:10,480 needs to be done to ensure we protect 110 00:05:15,510 --> 00:05:12,940 our children and our community from 111 00:05:17,580 --> 00:05:15,520 preventable diseases while vaccination 112 00:05:19,500 --> 00:05:17,590 rates in Australia had increased since 113 00:05:21,890 --> 00:05:19,510 childhood immunization register was 114 00:05:25,560 --> 00:05:21,900 established by the Howard government in 115 00:05:27,630 --> 00:05:25,570 1996 vaccine objection rates for 116 00:05:30,600 --> 00:05:27,640 children under the age of seven have 117 00:05:33,180 --> 00:05:30,610 also increased steadily especially under 118 00:05:36,600 --> 00:05:33,190 the conscientious objector category the 119 00:05:38,540 --> 00:05:36,610 vast majority of FB t families meet the 120 00:05:41,790 --> 00:05:38,550 current immunization requirement at 121 00:05:45,240 --> 00:05:41,800 relevant age point around ninety-seven 122 00:05:47,370 --> 00:05:45,250 percent however more than 39,000 123 00:05:49,260 --> 00:05:47,380 children under the age of seven are not 124 00:05:52,080 --> 00:05:49,270 vaccinated because their parents are 125 00:05:54,930 --> 00:05:52,090 vaccine objectors this is an increase of 126 00:05:57,659 --> 00:05:54,940 more than 24,000 children over 10 years 127 00:06:00,210 --> 00:05:57,669 the government is extremely concerned 128 00:06:03,180 --> 00:06:00,220 that the risk this poses to other young 129 00:06:05,130 --> 00:06:03,190 children and the broader community the 130 00:06:07,710 --> 00:06:05,140 choice made by families not to immunize 131 00:06:10,950 --> 00:06:07,720 their children is not supported by the 132 00:06:13,350 --> 00:06:10,960 public policy or medical research nor 133 00:06:15,750 --> 00:06:13,360 should such action be supported by the 134 00:06:18,770 --> 00:06:15,760 taxpayers in the form of child care 135 00:06:22,770 --> 00:06:18,780 payments for more information visit 136 00:06:25,800 --> 00:06:22,780 www.money services govier you so in 137 00:06:29,340 --> 00:06:25,810 short if people object to having their 138 00:06:33,270 --> 00:06:29,350 children vaccinated they could end up 139 00:06:35,070 --> 00:06:33,280 losing government payments as I said 140 00:06:38,190 --> 00:06:35,080 we'll be covering this more next week 141 00:06:40,640 --> 00:06:38,200 but in an unusual step for the skeptic 142 00:06:43,800 --> 00:06:40,650 zone I'm going to play a short audio 143 00:06:47,250 --> 00:06:43,810 bite from a press conference with the 144 00:06:50,040 --> 00:06:47,260 Prime Minister Tony Abbott in future and 145 00:06:52,890 --> 00:06:50,050 I will only be able to continue to 146 00:06:56,659 --> 00:06:52,900 receive for child care payments and the 147 00:06:58,820 --> 00:06:56,669 Family Tax Benefit Part I supplement on 148 00:07:01,730 --> 00:06:58,830 if their children are 149 00:07:05,330 --> 00:07:01,740 immunized on religious or medical 150 00:07:07,570 --> 00:07:05,340 grounds yes people I can if they like 151 00:07:09,740 --> 00:07:07,580 object to having their kids vaccinated 152 00:07:12,200 --> 00:07:09,750 but if you don't have your children 153 00:07:15,350 --> 00:07:12,210 vaccinated are than on strictly 154 00:07:17,450 --> 00:07:15,360 religious or medical grounds you won't 155 00:07:20,510 --> 00:07:17,460 qualify for the supplement and you won't 156 00:07:22,310 --> 00:07:20,520 qualify for the child care payments so 157 00:07:25,700 --> 00:07:22,320 important news coming out of Australia 158 00:07:28,790 --> 00:07:25,710 now some other interesting news and news 159 00:07:31,850 --> 00:07:28,800 that they must say just makes me smile 160 00:07:33,820 --> 00:07:31,860 from ear to ear folks a couple of weeks 161 00:07:38,500 --> 00:07:33,830 ago we had on the skeptic zone in fact 162 00:07:40,640 --> 00:07:38,510 episode 336 pontus bachmann from sweden 163 00:07:43,400 --> 00:07:40,650 apologies if i didn't pronounce that one 164 00:07:46,090 --> 00:07:43,410 right and though we had a great chat now 165 00:07:48,380 --> 00:07:46,100 pontus contacted me to get a copy of the 166 00:07:51,140 --> 00:07:48,390 vaccination chronicles DVD which I 167 00:07:53,690 --> 00:07:51,150 whacked in the post and posted that off 168 00:07:55,310 --> 00:07:53,700 to Sweden and he had a look at that and 169 00:07:59,180 --> 00:07:55,320 thought that was pretty good and then an 170 00:08:01,190 --> 00:07:59,190 idea struck him he wanted to distribute 171 00:08:04,250 --> 00:08:01,200 it in Sweden make lots of copies which 172 00:08:07,820 --> 00:08:04,260 great that's what it's there for and he 173 00:08:11,840 --> 00:08:07,830 suggested to me that the whole DVD could 174 00:08:14,240 --> 00:08:11,850 be may be converted translated into 175 00:08:17,240 --> 00:08:14,250 swedish now what that means of course is 176 00:08:20,210 --> 00:08:17,250 adding subtitles to the to the main 177 00:08:22,310 --> 00:08:20,220 feature movie the the documentary in 178 00:08:23,900 --> 00:08:22,320 swedish and there are lots of subtitles 179 00:08:26,810 --> 00:08:23,910 and different languages but it also 180 00:08:29,600 --> 00:08:26,820 means all the menus and all that the 181 00:08:31,700 --> 00:08:29,610 cover art nor the text all translated 182 00:08:34,010 --> 00:08:31,710 and converted into swedish so in swedish 183 00:08:35,450 --> 00:08:34,020 people use the DVD they don't have to 184 00:08:38,990 --> 00:08:35,460 worry about English at all it's all in 185 00:08:41,800 --> 00:08:39,000 Swedish and when they run the film the 186 00:08:46,310 --> 00:08:41,810 swedish subtitles automatically appear 187 00:08:48,700 --> 00:08:46,320 wow so my knuckle down and with the help 188 00:08:50,750 --> 00:08:48,710 of Pontus sending me the correct 189 00:08:54,950 --> 00:08:50,760 translations and the correct words to 190 00:08:57,500 --> 00:08:54,960 use I re-mastered the DVD uploaded that 191 00:08:59,840 --> 00:08:57,510 took a long time because of her slow 192 00:09:03,170 --> 00:08:59,850 uploads but took 24 hours to upload the 193 00:09:05,210 --> 00:09:03,180 disk image where he examined it and gave 194 00:09:06,800 --> 00:09:05,220 it a big test pointed out one or two 195 00:09:09,290 --> 00:09:06,810 little errors which we corrected 196 00:09:11,180 --> 00:09:09,300 uploaded another version and I'm pleased 197 00:09:11,990 --> 00:09:11,190 to say he's making lots of copies of 198 00:09:15,490 --> 00:09:12,000 that now 199 00:09:18,020 --> 00:09:15,500 wow that's what I call international 200 00:09:21,260 --> 00:09:18,030 cooperation among the skeptical 201 00:09:23,800 --> 00:09:21,270 community a really good news story there 202 00:09:26,210 --> 00:09:23,810 so I say thank you Ponder's for 203 00:09:28,340 --> 00:09:26,220 suggesting that idea to me and I'm just 204 00:09:34,330 --> 00:09:28,350 tickled pink and of course the Swedish 205 00:09:37,010 --> 00:09:34,340 skeptics can be found at ww vo fsae and 206 00:09:39,230 --> 00:09:37,020 finally yes I know you're just dying to 207 00:09:42,430 --> 00:09:39,240 get into the skeptic zone we're nearly 208 00:09:44,960 --> 00:09:42,440 there finally some other good news I'm 209 00:09:46,460 --> 00:09:44,970 absolutely delighted once again I my 210 00:09:48,350 --> 00:09:46,470 goodness me I'll have to lie down for a 211 00:09:50,660 --> 00:09:48,360 week after this to let you know that the 212 00:09:54,110 --> 00:09:50,670 skeptics own podcast is in the short 213 00:09:56,960 --> 00:09:54,120 list the short list to win an awesome 214 00:09:58,970 --> 00:09:56,970 award which is presented at their QED 215 00:10:01,640 --> 00:09:58,980 conference that's sold out by the way 216 00:10:05,090 --> 00:10:01,650 and I'm not surprised and that's from 217 00:10:08,900 --> 00:10:05,100 there the skeptic of course in in the UK 218 00:10:11,270 --> 00:10:08,910 the UK magazine the skeptic and yes they 219 00:10:13,460 --> 00:10:11,280 let me know the other day that this 220 00:10:17,270 --> 00:10:13,470 podcast is in the short list the running 221 00:10:20,600 --> 00:10:17,280 to win a knock'em award which is in the 222 00:10:22,670 --> 00:10:20,610 shape of a giant razor blade wow that's 223 00:10:24,650 --> 00:10:22,680 that's great news that's really great 224 00:10:29,780 --> 00:10:24,660 news and you can find out more by 225 00:10:33,140 --> 00:10:29,790 visiting w WC eptic org UK and a big 226 00:10:35,060 --> 00:10:33,150 shout out to all the UK skeptics as get 227 00:10:38,440 --> 00:10:35,070 pics from the Merseyside the Manchester 228 00:10:40,760 --> 00:10:38,450 people I wish I could be with you at QED 229 00:10:42,680 --> 00:10:40,770 regardless it's it's such a great 230 00:10:45,140 --> 00:10:42,690 convention and again I'm not surprised 231 00:10:48,380 --> 00:10:45,150 and sold out anyway all that you all 232 00:10:51,950 --> 00:10:48,390 know how the skeptic zone ends up going 233 00:10:55,780 --> 00:10:51,960 in the Occam prize but for now it's time 234 00:11:00,440 --> 00:10:55,790 for me to run downstairs have a nice 235 00:11:02,690 --> 00:11:00,450 slice of sourdough toast with a little 236 00:11:07,010 --> 00:11:02,700 bit of cream cheese and maybe a slither 237 00:11:08,300 --> 00:11:07,020 of smoked salmon oh yeah yeah that 238 00:11:38,240 --> 00:11:08,310 sounds pretty good while I'm doing that 239 00:11:42,060 --> 00:11:40,410 well we've been going all around the 240 00:11:43,740 --> 00:11:42,070 world lately well all around Europe 241 00:11:45,660 --> 00:11:43,750 parts of the world on the skeptics own 242 00:11:47,580 --> 00:11:45,670 interviewing all sorts of people and I'm 243 00:11:50,370 --> 00:11:47,590 delighted to say that I was contacted by 244 00:11:52,500 --> 00:11:50,380 a representative of the Hungarian 245 00:11:54,720 --> 00:11:52,510 skeptics just the other week and I'm 246 00:11:58,190 --> 00:11:54,730 delighted to have on the line all the 247 00:12:00,510 --> 00:11:58,200 way from Hungary undress pinder hello 248 00:12:02,580 --> 00:12:00,520 hello Richard it's nice to be on the 249 00:12:04,440 --> 00:12:02,590 show thank you very much and thanks for 250 00:12:06,210 --> 00:12:04,450 dropping me a note saying hello it was 251 00:12:08,340 --> 00:12:06,220 really nice to make contact with you and 252 00:12:12,330 --> 00:12:08,350 just for our international listeners 253 00:12:15,900 --> 00:12:12,340 where exactly are you in hungry well my 254 00:12:20,390 --> 00:12:15,910 hometown where I do live it's um it's 255 00:12:24,600 --> 00:12:20,400 called see cash for Hitler it's 22 Dan 256 00:12:27,720 --> 00:12:24,610 Southwest to from from the capital about 257 00:12:32,160 --> 00:12:27,730 70 kilometers that I can use for four 258 00:12:35,250 --> 00:12:32,170 Australian listeners right yeah and for 259 00:12:38,100 --> 00:12:35,260 everybody else who use using miles well 260 00:12:39,150 --> 00:12:38,110 just imagine a nice day's drive or half 261 00:12:41,730 --> 00:12:39,160 a day's drive or something like that 262 00:12:44,910 --> 00:12:41,740 yeah yeah guys know it's a couple of 263 00:12:47,130 --> 00:12:44,920 hours really oh well it's an hour from 264 00:12:48,960 --> 00:12:47,140 the capital I'll start again it's 265 00:12:51,720 --> 00:12:48,970 probably now depending on the roads it's 266 00:12:53,340 --> 00:12:51,730 not very very bar it's in effect if 267 00:12:54,960 --> 00:12:53,350 anybody's looking at a map of hungry 268 00:12:56,910 --> 00:12:54,970 there's Budapest to capital there and 269 00:12:59,310 --> 00:12:56,920 just sort of to the west southwest 270 00:13:00,510 --> 00:12:59,320 there's a nice big lake in your smack 271 00:13:02,100 --> 00:13:00,520 bang in the middle that looks like a 272 00:13:06,180 --> 00:13:02,110 nice lake it looks like a nice place to 273 00:13:08,190 --> 00:13:06,190 visit it is so the next time you're 274 00:13:10,320 --> 00:13:08,200 coming over to Hungary make sure you 275 00:13:12,329 --> 00:13:10,330 drop me a line before that and I'm gonna 276 00:13:15,150 --> 00:13:12,339 show you around because I'm a trained 277 00:13:17,250 --> 00:13:15,160 tour guide it that's what an author what 278 00:13:18,810 --> 00:13:17,260 an offer I will certainly take you up on 279 00:13:21,180 --> 00:13:18,820 that the next time in hungry which would 280 00:13:22,530 --> 00:13:21,190 be by strange coincidence the first time 281 00:13:25,500 --> 00:13:22,540 I'll being hungry would be the next time 282 00:13:28,140 --> 00:13:25,510 in hungry but I did it forward to that 283 00:13:30,120 --> 00:13:28,150 now let's find out more about the 284 00:13:31,770 --> 00:13:30,130 skeptical movement in hungry how long 285 00:13:32,190 --> 00:13:31,780 has there been a skeptical movement 286 00:13:37,300 --> 00:13:32,200 there 287 00:13:40,210 --> 00:13:37,310 it's been going on for quite a while net 288 00:13:44,170 --> 00:13:40,220 I think it's going to be this year no 289 00:13:48,130 --> 00:13:44,180 last year was the time when there was 290 00:13:50,980 --> 00:13:48,140 the 20th hung annual conference of 291 00:13:55,240 --> 00:13:50,990 Hungarian skeptics wow that's great yeah 292 00:13:58,210 --> 00:13:55,250 and I'm very happy to report that even 293 00:14:02,019 --> 00:13:58,220 though I'm pretty young I'm I'm I'm only 294 00:14:06,760 --> 00:14:02,029 33 but I've been to almost all of them 295 00:14:11,620 --> 00:14:06,770 um yeah well done oh I started I started 296 00:14:15,220 --> 00:14:11,630 quite early this this this activism mine 297 00:14:18,010 --> 00:14:15,230 and let me ask you why what got you into 298 00:14:19,990 --> 00:14:18,020 into skepticism other people have many 299 00:14:22,660 --> 00:14:20,000 stories of why they got interested in 300 00:14:24,420 --> 00:14:22,670 this sort of thing that we do what's 301 00:14:28,840 --> 00:14:24,430 your background why are you interested 302 00:14:32,610 --> 00:14:28,850 my background is UFOs to be honest yes a 303 00:14:35,440 --> 00:14:32,620 bit because I was so much into UFOs I 304 00:14:39,840 --> 00:14:35,450 contacted the the the local astronomy 305 00:14:42,699 --> 00:14:39,850 group the group of amateur astronomers 306 00:14:46,500 --> 00:14:42,709 the Hermann tell Carlos public 307 00:14:50,260 --> 00:14:46,510 Observatory mhm and I went there I 308 00:14:53,470 --> 00:14:50,270 started listening very closely to what 309 00:14:59,199 --> 00:14:53,480 they were saying and soon I realized 310 00:15:02,490 --> 00:14:59,209 that the the real world in itself is 311 00:15:06,880 --> 00:15:02,500 much more interesting than than than the 312 00:15:10,180 --> 00:15:06,890 imagined stuff like UFOs and so it was a 313 00:15:12,310 --> 00:15:10,190 gradual change in my in my mindset but 314 00:15:15,790 --> 00:15:12,320 but I'm very grateful for those people 315 00:15:18,010 --> 00:15:15,800 who who did that to me I think you know 316 00:15:20,760 --> 00:15:18,020 I can tell a similar sort of story 317 00:15:23,710 --> 00:15:20,770 especially when I was much younger UFOs 318 00:15:25,240 --> 00:15:23,720 fascinated me because I really thought 319 00:15:27,310 --> 00:15:25,250 they were coming and I really thought 320 00:15:28,780 --> 00:15:27,320 there in aliens visiting the world and I 321 00:15:30,819 --> 00:15:28,790 really wanted to find out more and 322 00:15:33,010 --> 00:15:30,829 monsters and mysteries and ghosts and 323 00:15:34,840 --> 00:15:33,020 all that sort of thing oh yeah you are 324 00:15:36,069 --> 00:15:34,850 right in a strange way they do a lot of 325 00:15:37,420 --> 00:15:36,079 people a favor by getting them 326 00:15:39,370 --> 00:15:37,430 interested in this sort of thing but 327 00:15:42,670 --> 00:15:39,380 then we can progress to the real science 328 00:15:45,500 --> 00:15:42,680 and which we find much more satisfying 329 00:15:47,060 --> 00:15:45,510 of course so that's great that's exactly 330 00:15:50,390 --> 00:15:47,070 similar story I heard around the world I 331 00:15:53,090 --> 00:15:50,400 think yeah I think so and the 332 00:15:57,910 --> 00:15:53,100 interesting part is that even James 333 00:16:01,540 --> 00:15:57,920 Randi has a hand in that yeah because 334 00:16:07,490 --> 00:16:01,550 there is there is this journal called 335 00:16:09,230 --> 00:16:07,500 the nature of node the world of nature 336 00:16:11,840 --> 00:16:09,240 sorry it's a Hungarian is the 337 00:16:15,650 --> 00:16:11,850 translation from Hungarian that me sup 338 00:16:19,880 --> 00:16:15,660 talaga what is what it's called and back 339 00:16:23,750 --> 00:16:19,890 back in the 19th the early 1990s he 340 00:16:26,270 --> 00:16:23,760 offered a prize for those who are who 341 00:16:31,370 --> 00:16:26,280 are writing up there they're small 342 00:16:35,900 --> 00:16:31,380 thesis on paranormal activities or 343 00:16:39,410 --> 00:16:35,910 paranormal phenomena and there were 22 344 00:16:45,830 --> 00:16:39,420 young people from my hometown who who 345 00:16:48,620 --> 00:16:45,840 made a crop circle right right mmm at 346 00:16:51,920 --> 00:16:48,630 the edge of my hometown highways and yet 347 00:16:55,070 --> 00:16:51,930 I always wanted to do that yeah and they 348 00:16:57,800 --> 00:16:55,080 got they got a huge publicity uh with 349 00:17:00,050 --> 00:16:57,810 with that story and they ended up 350 00:17:05,000 --> 00:17:00,060 getting the prize from rate James Randi 351 00:17:09,350 --> 00:17:05,010 Wow and then a few years later I was the 352 00:17:12,699 --> 00:17:09,360 one to be awarded and yeah that that 353 00:17:16,699 --> 00:17:12,709 that got me really into this whole thing 354 00:17:21,199 --> 00:17:16,709 finally so so there was no return for me 355 00:17:22,520 --> 00:17:21,209 from from then no return out that sounds 356 00:17:25,040 --> 00:17:22,530 a bit mysterious I like the sound of 357 00:17:26,810 --> 00:17:25,050 that well 20 plus is that there's been 358 00:17:28,820 --> 00:17:26,820 conventions and meetings held there that 359 00:17:30,020 --> 00:17:28,830 that's that's that's impressive i'm glad 360 00:17:31,820 --> 00:17:30,030 you've got that sort of history behind 361 00:17:33,620 --> 00:17:31,830 you but let's say I'm look at what 362 00:17:36,200 --> 00:17:33,630 you're doing in more recent times and 363 00:17:38,240 --> 00:17:36,210 especially maybe with a bigger outreach 364 00:17:39,770 --> 00:17:38,250 and just hungry alone I I understand 365 00:17:44,810 --> 00:17:39,780 that you're involved with the guerrilla 366 00:17:47,270 --> 00:17:44,820 skepticism yes that's right we joined 367 00:17:51,800 --> 00:17:47,280 the guerrilla skepticism Wikipedia led 368 00:17:54,950 --> 00:17:51,810 by by the wonderful Susan jariabek she's 369 00:17:57,919 --> 00:17:54,960 doing a terrific job in in in changing 370 00:18:01,340 --> 00:17:57,929 the world for the better hey I made 371 00:18:03,950 --> 00:18:01,350 page by page exactly word by word that's 372 00:18:05,899 --> 00:18:03,960 available and and and that's that's a 373 00:18:08,629 --> 00:18:05,909 fantastic job there they're doing there 374 00:18:11,239 --> 00:18:08,639 and we decided to join them with a small 375 00:18:16,789 --> 00:18:11,249 group that was a group of about seven 376 00:18:19,730 --> 00:18:16,799 people and I even met Susan at QED last 377 00:18:21,950 --> 00:18:19,740 year QED QED does come up a lot in my 378 00:18:24,980 --> 00:18:21,960 talks with people around the world a lot 379 00:18:26,779 --> 00:18:24,990 I'd consider that to be a really good 380 00:18:28,970 --> 00:18:26,789 convention and I have to agree and in 381 00:18:30,590 --> 00:18:28,980 fact you've just reminded me just before 382 00:18:35,749 --> 00:18:30,600 you went on air when we were chatting 383 00:18:41,419 --> 00:18:35,759 that we met at QED yeah I was too shy to 384 00:18:43,279 --> 00:18:41,429 to really jump at you Oh with all of me 385 00:18:45,049 --> 00:18:43,289 being from the Hungarian skeptics 386 00:18:47,210 --> 00:18:45,059 society and stuff and we just I just 387 00:18:49,299 --> 00:18:47,220 joined the chat you were in with the way 388 00:18:52,039 --> 00:18:49,309 through it so there's some other people 389 00:18:56,450 --> 00:18:52,049 but it was very nice chat and of course 390 00:18:58,639 --> 00:18:56,460 I didn't know well who you were by that 391 00:19:03,259 --> 00:18:58,649 time so because i've been i've been 392 00:19:08,060 --> 00:19:03,269 listening to too many podcasts including 393 00:19:10,820 --> 00:19:08,070 yours for four years by now but that's 394 00:19:13,519 --> 00:19:10,830 great so getting back to the guerrilla 395 00:19:17,539 --> 00:19:13,529 skepticism and what what exactly is your 396 00:19:20,299 --> 00:19:17,549 involvement there well i ended up 397 00:19:22,940 --> 00:19:20,309 leading the hungarian group after doing 398 00:19:27,409 --> 00:19:22,950 the the training that that susan goreck 399 00:19:30,680 --> 00:19:27,419 provides so she's not just expecting 400 00:19:36,049 --> 00:19:30,690 people to jump in and do the work she 401 00:19:37,580 --> 00:19:36,059 she gives you a load of help and yeah 402 00:19:41,359 --> 00:19:37,590 after a while I ended up leading the 403 00:19:44,239 --> 00:19:41,369 group and we are of course responsible 404 00:19:49,340 --> 00:19:44,249 mainly for for taking care of Hungarian 405 00:19:51,289 --> 00:19:49,350 pages and we sometimes have to write up 406 00:19:55,279 --> 00:19:51,299 pages from scratch because because 407 00:20:00,590 --> 00:19:55,289 hungarian wikipedia is is still not 408 00:20:04,310 --> 00:20:00,600 there well where we can find very very 409 00:20:10,580 --> 00:20:04,320 much information and and and sometimes 410 00:20:11,960 --> 00:20:10,590 very useful and reliable information on 411 00:20:16,220 --> 00:20:11,970 the english 412 00:20:19,550 --> 00:20:16,230 kapadia compared to what we can find in 413 00:20:22,250 --> 00:20:19,560 the Hungarian one so we there's a lot of 414 00:20:24,560 --> 00:20:22,260 work to do so I'm not I'm not saying 415 00:20:27,950 --> 00:20:24,570 first there's not too much work to do in 416 00:20:31,490 --> 00:20:27,960 the english wikipedia is just we are 417 00:20:34,240 --> 00:20:31,500 very much behind with the Hungarian one 418 00:20:37,670 --> 00:20:34,250 of course that's partly because of the 419 00:20:41,150 --> 00:20:37,680 community of editors being being much 420 00:20:44,060 --> 00:20:41,160 smaller of course oh but that no but I'm 421 00:20:46,400 --> 00:20:44,070 pleased that we're all part of this this 422 00:20:48,080 --> 00:20:46,410 worldwide if it be it guerrilla 423 00:20:50,990 --> 00:20:48,090 skepticism or just getting out there 424 00:20:54,470 --> 00:20:51,000 writing blogs making podcasts and and 425 00:20:56,570 --> 00:20:54,480 what I find to be a lot of fun and a 426 00:20:58,160 --> 00:20:56,580 good place to make contacts and talk to 427 00:21:00,530 --> 00:20:58,170 people is of course skeptics in the pub 428 00:21:03,950 --> 00:21:00,540 and I understand even in hungry we can 429 00:21:08,380 --> 00:21:03,960 go to skeptics in the pub yes that's 430 00:21:11,990 --> 00:21:08,390 correct we have to we have two venues 431 00:21:15,110 --> 00:21:12,000 for skeptics in the pub the one that's 432 00:21:19,070 --> 00:21:15,120 been going on for years but it's not 433 00:21:22,370 --> 00:21:19,080 very frequently by outsiders mainly from 434 00:21:26,750 --> 00:21:22,380 the members of the Hungarian skeptics 435 00:21:29,990 --> 00:21:26,760 society and and it's halo but there is 436 00:21:35,080 --> 00:21:30,000 another one that's then I started almost 437 00:21:38,630 --> 00:21:35,090 a year ago that's in my hometown and and 438 00:21:40,670 --> 00:21:38,640 that's that skeptics in the pub is is 439 00:21:44,360 --> 00:21:40,680 really aiming to reach people from 440 00:21:46,850 --> 00:21:44,370 outside the the movement so we would 441 00:21:49,370 --> 00:21:46,860 like to we would like to get people into 442 00:21:52,160 --> 00:21:49,380 this this whole thing it's a wonderful 443 00:21:55,190 --> 00:21:52,170 thing it really is a i was at skeptics 444 00:21:57,350 --> 00:21:55,200 in the pub just uh oh as we record this 445 00:21:59,630 --> 00:21:57,360 just last night may not our reporters 446 00:22:01,790 --> 00:21:59,640 there Joe alabaster was there of course 447 00:22:03,950 --> 00:22:01,800 and lots of good skeptics but a lot of 448 00:22:06,050 --> 00:22:03,960 people I'd never met before who'd heard 449 00:22:08,540 --> 00:22:06,060 about skeptics in the pub came along to 450 00:22:11,480 --> 00:22:08,550 hear a talk enjoyed a nice dinner some 451 00:22:14,060 --> 00:22:11,490 drinks and it's just a really wonderful 452 00:22:15,800 --> 00:22:14,070 place to make contact so people i don't 453 00:22:18,470 --> 00:22:15,810 know i think people tend to think 454 00:22:20,840 --> 00:22:18,480 skeptics in the pub is trivial silly or 455 00:22:22,880 --> 00:22:20,850 just as an opportunity to have a drink 456 00:22:26,090 --> 00:22:22,890 it's actually a really important part of 457 00:22:28,549 --> 00:22:26,100 outreach I think yes I 458 00:22:31,850 --> 00:22:28,559 an allegory and but but there are 459 00:22:34,789 --> 00:22:31,860 certain problems like my main problem in 460 00:22:39,890 --> 00:22:34,799 a in a small small town in Hungary it 461 00:22:42,919 --> 00:22:39,900 was where to where to to to organize it 462 00:22:46,490 --> 00:22:42,929 as a venue because if you don't find 463 00:22:48,710 --> 00:22:46,500 venues too easily in a small town where 464 00:22:50,659 --> 00:22:48,720 there is not too much noise so the 465 00:22:53,600 --> 00:22:50,669 background noise is not going to not 466 00:22:55,700 --> 00:22:53,610 going to disturb the whole thing and at 467 00:23:01,039 --> 00:22:55,710 the art on on the other hand it's it can 468 00:23:03,590 --> 00:23:01,049 be quite quite public and finally i'm 469 00:23:06,560 --> 00:23:03,600 happy to report that it seems that we've 470 00:23:09,560 --> 00:23:06,570 refined a right place by now through its 471 00:23:12,680 --> 00:23:09,570 own good say food if anyone anyone is in 472 00:23:14,659 --> 00:23:12,690 SE cash for here are let's join us come 473 00:23:16,430 --> 00:23:14,669 and join us it sounds good to me and 474 00:23:17,810 --> 00:23:16,440 i'll give you a tip next time that we're 475 00:23:19,760 --> 00:23:17,820 it in convention together and you want 476 00:23:21,440 --> 00:23:19,770 to say hello just walk over to me with a 477 00:23:26,659 --> 00:23:21,450 drink in your other hand and it'll be 478 00:23:29,169 --> 00:23:26,669 okay i'll definitely do that if we meet 479 00:23:33,770 --> 00:23:29,179 up again and I would very happy to do it 480 00:23:34,940 --> 00:23:33,780 now um if we in hungry especially with 481 00:23:36,580 --> 00:23:34,950 people all over the world who are 482 00:23:39,500 --> 00:23:36,590 interested in what you're doing I 483 00:23:41,630 --> 00:23:39,510 understand there's a good facebook site 484 00:23:43,549 --> 00:23:41,640 to visit and i will link to that in the 485 00:23:47,210 --> 00:23:43,559 show notes folks for this week but what 486 00:23:51,110 --> 00:23:47,220 is that Facebook side the facebook page 487 00:23:54,020 --> 00:23:51,120 is of course facebook.com slash 488 00:24:00,230 --> 00:23:54,030 skeptical statue shag which is not easy 489 00:24:03,049 --> 00:24:00,240 to spell and n-type I pin but I believe 490 00:24:05,539 --> 00:24:03,059 are on the show notes you will be able 491 00:24:09,200 --> 00:24:05,549 to reach the problem what does that 492 00:24:11,169 --> 00:24:09,210 translate to in english it's a Hungarian 493 00:24:13,549 --> 00:24:11,179 skeptics Society of course it's not 494 00:24:16,130 --> 00:24:13,559 Hungarian is not included in that name 495 00:24:18,680 --> 00:24:16,140 and what's included in the skeptics 496 00:24:23,529 --> 00:24:18,690 society the Hungarian skeptics society 497 00:24:27,020 --> 00:24:23,539 is not is not it's becoming ten-year-old 498 00:24:33,740 --> 00:24:27,030 land next year so it's turning ten years 499 00:24:38,539 --> 00:24:33,750 old in 2016 so it's it's it's not as old 500 00:24:39,670 --> 00:24:38,549 as our conventions for different reasons 501 00:24:44,870 --> 00:24:39,680 but 502 00:24:46,850 --> 00:24:44,880 I've I've written a logical summing up 503 00:24:53,450 --> 00:24:46,860 the two decades of skepticism and 504 00:24:56,660 --> 00:24:53,460 Hungary yeah for for the this si si si 505 00:24:59,330 --> 00:24:56,670 si o P I don't know how it's how it's 506 00:25:01,970 --> 00:24:59,340 how you said and the the Center for 507 00:25:04,010 --> 00:25:01,980 skeptical inquiry the old cyclop the and 508 00:25:06,740 --> 00:25:04,020 the other cycle and I'll link to that 509 00:25:08,270 --> 00:25:06,750 too because you you were showing me that 510 00:25:12,230 --> 00:25:08,280 just before it's quite a good long 511 00:25:14,870 --> 00:25:12,240 article about the movement there yeah 512 00:25:18,590 --> 00:25:14,880 yeah because it's a long movement long 513 00:25:22,360 --> 00:25:18,600 existing movement have we have so far we 514 00:25:26,150 --> 00:25:22,370 have three different conventions a year 515 00:25:27,740 --> 00:25:26,160 so that's that's the one the the annual 516 00:25:31,940 --> 00:25:27,750 conference of Hungarian skeptics there 517 00:25:35,180 --> 00:25:31,950 is the skeptics conference in Budapest 518 00:25:39,070 --> 00:25:35,190 which took place last week last weekend 519 00:25:43,790 --> 00:25:39,080 actually and I even gave a talk on 520 00:25:45,530 --> 00:25:43,800 skeptical activism and and how to do 521 00:25:49,760 --> 00:25:45,540 things instead of just talking about 522 00:25:51,440 --> 00:25:49,770 them and and there is another one that's 523 00:25:53,390 --> 00:25:51,450 organized by the hungarian skeptics 524 00:25:56,780 --> 00:25:53,400 society and and and the purpose of that 525 00:26:00,110 --> 00:25:56,790 one that the last one is that we would 526 00:26:04,340 --> 00:26:00,120 like to reach university students in in 527 00:26:06,590 --> 00:26:04,350 all of the university's cities across 528 00:26:09,190 --> 00:26:06,600 Hungary where there is a large 529 00:26:14,980 --> 00:26:09,200 University and it attracts it would 530 00:26:18,800 --> 00:26:14,990 attract many many students as we hope so 531 00:26:20,810 --> 00:26:18,810 so that's that's the aim and this year 532 00:26:24,770 --> 00:26:20,820 that's that there's going to be another 533 00:26:27,290 --> 00:26:24,780 one in peach last year it was second 534 00:26:29,360 --> 00:26:27,300 right that guy's fantastic i'm really 535 00:26:31,400 --> 00:26:29,370 pleased that there is so much happening 536 00:26:33,170 --> 00:26:31,410 hungry I had no idea it's really 537 00:26:35,150 --> 00:26:33,180 pleasing to know that that you're doing 538 00:26:37,340 --> 00:26:35,160 this and now hopefully through the 539 00:26:39,320 --> 00:26:37,350 skeptics and a lot more people will hear 540 00:26:41,620 --> 00:26:39,330 about it why don't you give it a short 541 00:26:46,840 --> 00:26:41,630 message to our Hungarian Lissa's in 542 00:26:50,830 --> 00:26:46,850 Hungarian I think that would be good ok 543 00:26:54,490 --> 00:26:50,840 ha milwaukee Motorcycle Hall got me get 544 00:26:56,550 --> 00:26:54,500 cocky attitude wisdom accor bleep pml-n 545 00:27:00,640 --> 00:26:56,560 capture on was skeptical status a canal 546 00:27:01,870 --> 00:27:00,650 info got skeptic respond who see men not 547 00:27:03,420 --> 00:27:01,880 you're shocked Seattle are you created 548 00:27:05,470 --> 00:27:03,430 because they should mean that connect 549 00:27:09,970 --> 00:27:05,480 well I couldn't have said it better 550 00:27:13,090 --> 00:27:09,980 myself yeah and let me just say for the 551 00:27:14,830 --> 00:27:13,100 sake of allison is are curious although 552 00:27:17,950 --> 00:27:14,840 it'll be in the show notes if you go to 553 00:27:27,280 --> 00:27:17,960 facebook www.facebook.com / then you 554 00:27:34,360 --> 00:27:27,290 type in s z ke pti k us ta our SAS AG 555 00:27:37,030 --> 00:27:34,370 simple as that yeah that is correct you 556 00:27:39,220 --> 00:27:37,040 won't find too too many pieces in 557 00:27:44,230 --> 00:27:39,230 English though because the one of the 558 00:27:46,840 --> 00:27:44,240 aims of this is to to provide Hungarian 559 00:27:51,820 --> 00:27:46,850 content and we are translating a lot of 560 00:27:53,830 --> 00:27:51,830 things like memes arm but yeah that's 561 00:27:55,960 --> 00:27:53,840 why i think i think that the pictures 562 00:27:57,730 --> 00:27:55,970 are quite enjoyable and in themselves i 563 00:27:59,140 --> 00:27:57,740 think there aren't people can always if 564 00:28:01,420 --> 00:27:59,150 they're very curious as always 565 00:28:03,700 --> 00:28:01,430 translating things on google and and 566 00:28:06,760 --> 00:28:03,710 what else and before we go what are some 567 00:28:08,740 --> 00:28:06,770 of the issues that you think are very 568 00:28:13,980 --> 00:28:08,750 important in hungry at the moment from a 569 00:28:16,810 --> 00:28:13,990 skeptical point of view i I'd like to 570 00:28:19,720 --> 00:28:16,820 match that topic with the matter with 571 00:28:24,670 --> 00:28:19,730 the topic of translations because we've 572 00:28:29,320 --> 00:28:24,680 just did the Hungarian translation of 573 00:28:32,440 --> 00:28:29,330 your video the the vaccination 574 00:28:35,500 --> 00:28:32,450 chronicles yes how about that which is a 575 00:28:39,340 --> 00:28:35,510 great movie I cannot emphasize that 576 00:28:44,800 --> 00:28:39,350 enough how great that work is so I'm so 577 00:28:48,570 --> 00:28:44,810 grateful for you to do it and and we 578 00:28:52,630 --> 00:28:48,580 wanted to have a Hungarian subtitles of 579 00:28:55,810 --> 00:28:52,640 for it in order to to to reach Hungarian 580 00:28:58,120 --> 00:28:55,820 audiences and yeah that's that's a topic 581 00:29:00,950 --> 00:28:58,130 we find very important and the reason 582 00:29:03,930 --> 00:29:00,960 why we find the important the topic of 583 00:29:06,060 --> 00:29:03,940 vaccination important is not because we 584 00:29:08,430 --> 00:29:06,070 have so much of a problem with it 585 00:29:11,370 --> 00:29:08,440 because we are among the countries 586 00:29:16,730 --> 00:29:11,380 around the world where there is the 587 00:29:22,830 --> 00:29:16,740 highest number of compulsory vaccination 588 00:29:27,710 --> 00:29:22,840 shots for four children so 11 shots are 589 00:29:31,260 --> 00:29:27,720 given as a mandatory shot to 22 children 590 00:29:36,510 --> 00:29:31,270 from the time of birth all the way up to 591 00:29:40,110 --> 00:29:36,520 the age 11 or 12 I think so we're not in 592 00:29:42,210 --> 00:29:40,120 that much of an of an emergency 593 00:29:45,360 --> 00:29:42,220 situation but the problem is that the 594 00:29:52,770 --> 00:29:45,370 movement reached Hungary too so the 595 00:29:55,050 --> 00:29:52,780 anti-vaccination in in the direction 596 00:29:57,380 --> 00:29:55,060 that they're there they're going to free 597 00:30:04,650 --> 00:29:57,390 other that the whole market of these and 598 00:30:10,860 --> 00:30:04,660 and make it available on a on a on a 599 00:30:13,280 --> 00:30:10,870 choice basis or are as a as a as a 600 00:30:17,160 --> 00:30:13,290 choice instead of a compulsory thing 601 00:30:21,060 --> 00:30:17,170 which is going to be a problem in terms 602 00:30:25,110 --> 00:30:21,070 of health care national health care so 603 00:30:27,960 --> 00:30:25,120 we are trying to do to get there before 604 00:30:29,250 --> 00:30:27,970 them well that's great i'm very pleased 605 00:30:32,820 --> 00:30:29,260 and thank you very much for your kind 606 00:30:34,380 --> 00:30:32,830 words about the documentary i just 607 00:30:39,960 --> 00:30:34,390 recently the copies are being 608 00:30:41,250 --> 00:30:39,970 distributed in in Sweden in Israel of 609 00:30:43,230 --> 00:30:41,260 course it's online in many different 610 00:30:45,360 --> 00:30:43,240 languages so that that's really it gives 611 00:30:47,100 --> 00:30:45,370 me a nice feeling to know that but I'm 612 00:30:48,570 --> 00:30:47,110 very pleased that you made contact with 613 00:30:50,550 --> 00:30:48,580 me again I'm very pleased that you're 614 00:30:52,050 --> 00:30:50,560 able to give us some time and I hope 615 00:30:54,750 --> 00:30:52,060 more and more people and hungry 616 00:30:56,850 --> 00:30:54,760 especially students take the time to 617 00:30:58,620 --> 00:30:56,860 find out more about what you're doing 618 00:31:02,460 --> 00:30:58,630 and make contact and maybe meet up at 619 00:31:06,030 --> 00:31:02,470 the pub yeah that's right so I'm very 620 00:31:08,490 --> 00:31:06,040 happy you you had me on a show and I 621 00:31:10,950 --> 00:31:08,500 wish you all the best for for for their 622 00:31:14,310 --> 00:31:10,960 great work of yours are you doing and 623 00:31:16,620 --> 00:31:14,320 and and not only you but Australia 624 00:31:21,210 --> 00:31:16,630 skeptics you you guys are leading the 625 00:31:22,620 --> 00:31:21,220 way so we are watching closely what 626 00:31:25,080 --> 00:31:22,630 you're doing and and trying to follow 627 00:31:28,080 --> 00:31:25,090 you oh you can come back on the show any 628 00:31:31,379 --> 00:31:28,090 time but thank you thank you so much for 629 00:31:33,269 --> 00:31:31,389 time but for now all the way we send our 630 00:31:50,639 --> 00:31:33,279 best greetings to everybody hungry and 631 00:31:52,950 --> 00:31:50,649 thank you once again thank you good 632 00:31:54,810 --> 00:31:52,960 crashbug a boardwalk a skeptic wish to 633 00:31:56,249 --> 00:31:54,820 shock a desolate it's a skeptic we sell 634 00:31:59,190 --> 00:31:56,259 visit a girl group I thana channel 635 00:32:00,600 --> 00:31:59,200 Annika meet the skeptics on podcast haga 636 00:32:02,519 --> 00:32:00,610 to a vision heritage from Tosh 637 00:32:04,440 --> 00:32:02,529 metropolis add to the manual control to 638 00:32:06,769 --> 00:32:04,450 share alike when she touched a critical 639 00:32:09,269 --> 00:32:06,779 gondola station an excel sheet a sheet I 640 00:32:10,950 --> 00:32:09,279 said nearly is 20 and then he can shake 641 00:32:13,470 --> 00:32:10,960 member travelin coca-cola taught or 642 00:32:15,600 --> 00:32:13,480 David upon skeptical starter shack 12 or 643 00:32:17,850 --> 00:32:15,610 just info at skeptic wishbone [\h__\h] man 644 00:32:20,430 --> 00:32:17,860 to a boy Allen film at the Facebook 645 00:32:22,950 --> 00:32:20,440 laudanum cottage amita facebook.com / 646 00:32:27,509 --> 00:32:22,960 skeptical star Shakti mandalas volume 647 00:32:29,879 --> 00:32:27,519 into our insulated dharamdas Vania hi 648 00:32:32,039 --> 00:32:29,889 this is garba raas co-president of the 649 00:32:33,749 --> 00:32:32,049 Hungarian skeptics society and chairman 650 00:32:36,659 --> 00:32:33,759 of the European Council of skeptical 651 00:32:38,999 --> 00:32:36,669 organizations a solicitor of the skeptic 652 00:32:40,980 --> 00:32:39,009 zone you probably agree that educating 653 00:32:44,009 --> 00:32:40,990 others about pseudoscience and critical 654 00:32:45,600 --> 00:32:44,019 thinking is an important task if you are 655 00:32:47,399 --> 00:32:45,610 eager to take part in either of these 656 00:32:51,049 --> 00:32:47,409 activities we would be happy to hear 657 00:32:56,850 --> 00:32:51,059 from you don't hesitate to contact us at 658 00:32:58,769 --> 00:32:56,860 www.skory.net skeptical hu we also 659 00:33:01,590 --> 00:32:58,779 recommend you visiting our Facebook page 660 00:33:11,070 --> 00:33:01,600 skeptic wish tasha shack or simply come 661 00:33:16,150 --> 00:33:13,870 welcome to Weekend science from RA oz 662 00:33:18,030 --> 00:33:16,160 bringing you the science you need to 663 00:33:20,680 --> 00:33:18,040 know faster than a speeding bullet 664 00:33:22,500 --> 00:33:20,690 literally two teams are trying to raise 665 00:33:25,600 --> 00:33:22,510 the land speed record to a staggering 666 00:33:27,010 --> 00:33:25,610 1,000 miles per hour let's take a closer 667 00:33:32,980 --> 00:33:27,020 look at these incredible engineering 668 00:33:34,600 --> 00:33:32,990 projects one project trying to achieve 669 00:33:38,080 --> 00:33:34,610 this mind-boggling feat is the 670 00:33:40,390 --> 00:33:38,090 Bloodhound SSC project from the UK their 671 00:33:43,690 --> 00:33:40,400 car is powered by a jet engine and a 672 00:33:48,010 --> 00:33:43,700 rocket engine together providing 47,000 673 00:33:50,530 --> 00:33:48,020 pounds of thrust or around 135,000 674 00:33:53,310 --> 00:33:50,540 horsepower for every doubling of speed 675 00:33:56,140 --> 00:33:53,320 aerodynamic drag is increased fourfold 676 00:33:58,060 --> 00:33:56,150 meaning at 1,000 miles per hour the 677 00:34:00,790 --> 00:33:58,070 engines will be pushing the car through 678 00:34:03,250 --> 00:34:00,800 11 tons per square meter of air pressure 679 00:34:05,500 --> 00:34:03,260 the aerodynamic forces are unlike 680 00:34:07,930 --> 00:34:05,510 anything seen before and has seen 681 00:34:09,790 --> 00:34:07,940 extensive computational fluid dynamic 682 00:34:12,010 --> 00:34:09,800 studies to not only make the car 683 00:34:16,170 --> 00:34:12,020 efficient enough to reach the target but 684 00:34:22,000 --> 00:34:18,310 challenging Bloodhound is Australia's 685 00:34:23,680 --> 00:34:22,010 Rosco McGlashan in Ozzie invader 5r this 686 00:34:26,220 --> 00:34:23,690 bullet shaped vehicle is powered by a 687 00:34:29,080 --> 00:34:26,230 single rocket engine producing around 688 00:34:32,230 --> 00:34:29,090 62,000 pounds of thrust the equivalent 689 00:34:34,780 --> 00:34:32,240 of around 200 thousand horsepower the 690 00:34:37,270 --> 00:34:34,790 rocket is powered by kerosene and liquid 691 00:34:40,030 --> 00:34:37,280 oxygen one notable design elements of 692 00:34:41,860 --> 00:34:40,040 the car is a v-shaped bottom surface to 693 00:34:44,350 --> 00:34:41,870 deflect shockwaves from underneath the 694 00:34:47,440 --> 00:34:44,360 car providing greater stability during 695 00:34:49,570 --> 00:34:47,450 extremely high speeds and now for fast 696 00:34:53,950 --> 00:34:49,580 facts about how to design a land speed 697 00:34:56,110 --> 00:34:53,960 record breaking car one of the most 698 00:34:58,060 --> 00:34:56,120 important designer aspects of the car is 699 00:35:00,820 --> 00:34:58,070 to have neither lift making the car take 700 00:35:02,770 --> 00:35:00,830 off nor down force pushing it down into 701 00:35:05,440 --> 00:35:02,780 the ground and risking breaking for 702 00:35:07,270 --> 00:35:05,450 suspension one of the most important 703 00:35:10,030 --> 00:35:07,280 design aspects of the car is to have 704 00:35:11,800 --> 00:35:10,040 neither lift making the car take off nor 705 00:35:13,890 --> 00:35:11,810 down force pushing it into the ground 706 00:35:16,270 --> 00:35:13,900 and risk breaking the suspension 707 00:35:18,310 --> 00:35:16,280 breaking from high speeds is also 708 00:35:20,740 --> 00:35:18,320 important Bloodhound use 709 00:35:23,590 --> 00:35:20,750 the cars own aerodynamic drag at very 710 00:35:26,590 --> 00:35:23,600 high speeds then air brakes then 711 00:35:29,530 --> 00:35:26,600 parachutes and finally will brakes to 712 00:35:32,110 --> 00:35:29,540 stop the car the wheels are extremely 713 00:35:34,210 --> 00:35:32,120 important made of solid aluminium alloy 714 00:35:36,640 --> 00:35:34,220 they will spin it over 10,000 715 00:35:38,230 --> 00:35:36,650 revolutions per minute and in contrast 716 00:35:40,030 --> 00:35:38,240 to what you may think it is actually 717 00:35:43,090 --> 00:35:40,040 important to keep the weight of these 718 00:35:45,220 --> 00:35:43,100 cars up to provide stability and to make 719 00:35:47,560 --> 00:35:45,230 sure the wheels maintain traction and do 720 00:35:49,540 --> 00:35:47,570 not slide that's it for this week in 721 00:35:52,390 --> 00:35:49,550 science for more information on these 722 00:35:57,130 --> 00:35:52,400 engineering quests go to the RLS website 723 00:36:00,490 --> 00:35:57,140 RI aus kogda a you follow us on twitter 724 00:36:17,140 --> 00:36:00,500 at arias and like us on facebook i'm ben 725 00:36:20,350 --> 00:36:17,150 lewis and we'll catch you next week from 726 00:36:24,280 --> 00:36:20,360 the Canberra skeptics of ww Canberra 727 00:36:27,460 --> 00:36:24,290 skeptics Ogden a you more great free 728 00:36:31,420 --> 00:36:27,470 talks coming up on Monday the 13th of 729 00:36:34,690 --> 00:36:31,430 April oh let's tomorrow Sex Lies and 730 00:36:37,990 --> 00:36:34,700 nectar the evolutionary biology is 731 00:36:40,240 --> 00:36:38,000 written by flowers speaker dr. michael 732 00:36:42,340 --> 00:36:40,250 whitehead in the eyes of evolution 733 00:36:44,680 --> 00:36:42,350 finding a suitable mate for reproduction 734 00:36:47,410 --> 00:36:44,690 is one of the most critical stages of 735 00:36:49,930 --> 00:36:47,420 any organisms life the great majority of 736 00:36:52,810 --> 00:36:49,940 flowering plants have outsourced this 737 00:36:55,090 --> 00:36:52,820 essential service to animals good grief 738 00:36:56,570 --> 00:36:55,100 they are very clever it seems they're 739 00:36:58,610 --> 00:36:56,580 very clever 740 00:37:01,070 --> 00:36:58,620 but they're not it's just the way things 741 00:37:02,810 --> 00:37:01,080 work you can find out more at this 742 00:37:06,650 --> 00:37:02,820 interesting talk now this will be at the 743 00:37:09,800 --> 00:37:06,660 Aynsley football club 52-week field 744 00:37:11,180 --> 00:37:09,810 avenue and ainsley in the a.c.t for more 745 00:37:14,210 --> 00:37:11,190 information head to that website 746 00:37:16,430 --> 00:37:14,220 Canberra skeptics org a you and coming 747 00:37:18,290 --> 00:37:16,440 up next month it's our very own reporter 748 00:37:21,850 --> 00:37:18,300 and president of Australian skeptics of 749 00:37:26,090 --> 00:37:21,860 runs to give unscathed us ism in 750 00:37:28,310 --> 00:37:26,100 education fifteenth of may 2015 at the 751 00:37:30,920 --> 00:37:28,320 same location the Aynsley football club 752 00:37:33,440 --> 00:37:30,930 two great talks coming up so if you're 753 00:37:35,630 --> 00:37:33,450 in the canberra a CT area head on over 754 00:37:50,810 --> 00:37:35,640 to the website or just turn up on the 755 00:37:57,329 --> 00:37:50,820 night and enjoy those talks here's may 756 00:38:02,049 --> 00:37:59,880 well i'm here with tonight's speaker at 757 00:38:03,760 --> 00:38:02,059 skeptics in the pub and it's probably 758 00:38:05,890 --> 00:38:03,770 one of the most controversial areas it's 759 00:38:08,020 --> 00:38:05,900 full of Wu and that's eating I don't 760 00:38:09,910 --> 00:38:08,030 think sleeping or intelligence or even 761 00:38:12,059 --> 00:38:09,920 sex has as much woo involved as eating 762 00:38:14,529 --> 00:38:12,069 does who is our expert this here tonight 763 00:38:17,289 --> 00:38:14,539 Gabriel mastin and what have you got a 764 00:38:19,960 --> 00:38:17,299 degree in exercise physiology and 765 00:38:21,130 --> 00:38:19,970 Dietetics and what what made you get a 766 00:38:23,140 --> 00:38:21,140 degree in that what attracted you to 767 00:38:26,260 --> 00:38:23,150 that field why did you get that degree I 768 00:38:28,240 --> 00:38:26,270 was always into sport and I was a yo-yo 769 00:38:29,680 --> 00:38:28,250 dieter so I suffered a little bit from 770 00:38:31,299 --> 00:38:29,690 an eating disorder when I was younger 771 00:38:33,190 --> 00:38:31,309 and so I thought there's got to be a 772 00:38:35,920 --> 00:38:33,200 better way of doing this so I'm going to 773 00:38:37,990 --> 00:38:35,930 go get educated and find out how to lose 774 00:38:39,849 --> 00:38:38,000 weight keep it off and not be a mental 775 00:38:41,170 --> 00:38:39,859 case around food well that's what I've 776 00:38:42,579 --> 00:38:41,180 been asking everybody I've been asking 777 00:38:43,960 --> 00:38:42,589 everybody have they ever been on a fad 778 00:38:46,839 --> 00:38:43,970 diet and it sounds like you might have 779 00:38:48,339 --> 00:38:46,849 been on a few I I tried everything 780 00:38:50,020 --> 00:38:48,349 mainly the bodybuilding diets because I 781 00:38:52,510 --> 00:38:50,030 was always in the gym when I was younger 782 00:38:54,460 --> 00:38:52,520 so you know personal trainers telling 783 00:38:55,900 --> 00:38:54,470 you not to eat certain foods not to eat 784 00:38:57,970 --> 00:38:55,910 apples because apples have too much 785 00:39:00,039 --> 00:38:57,980 sugar and that type of thing so didn't 786 00:39:01,359 --> 00:39:00,049 go very well now people always have the 787 00:39:03,069 --> 00:39:01,369 point on their body then I'm happy with 788 00:39:04,420 --> 00:39:03,079 I'm always worried about my guard tour 789 00:39:05,680 --> 00:39:04,430 worried that I'm slouching or something 790 00:39:07,960 --> 00:39:05,690 like that what's the one thing where you 791 00:39:12,670 --> 00:39:07,970 go I've got to do this diet so I can fix 792 00:39:14,589 --> 00:39:12,680 my like these days I'm really quite I 793 00:39:16,450 --> 00:39:14,599 like my body you know I think I've come 794 00:39:18,370 --> 00:39:16,460 a long way with body image issues and 795 00:39:19,569 --> 00:39:18,380 things so I guess I think about everyone 796 00:39:21,700 --> 00:39:19,579 and what's to work on their gut don't 797 00:39:23,230 --> 00:39:21,710 they I guess yeah but you get some 798 00:39:24,430 --> 00:39:23,240 people too obsessed with their buns or 799 00:39:25,660 --> 00:39:24,440 something like that all their abs and 800 00:39:27,339 --> 00:39:25,670 that sort of thing uh yeah you know 801 00:39:29,920 --> 00:39:27,349 everybody wants to have like the line 802 00:39:32,799 --> 00:39:29,930 you know the ABS lines but 803 00:39:34,680 --> 00:39:32,809 yeah you know I'm all about making my 804 00:39:37,870 --> 00:39:34,690 lifestyle my nutrition and exercise 805 00:39:39,190 --> 00:39:37,880 easily to maintain so you know to get 806 00:39:40,990 --> 00:39:39,200 abs that takes a certain level of 807 00:39:43,359 --> 00:39:41,000 sacrifice I'm not willing to make that 808 00:39:45,130 --> 00:39:43,369 sacrifice I like chocolate and when 809 00:39:47,079 --> 00:39:45,140 people come to you what it's a difficult 810 00:39:48,760 --> 00:39:47,089 point where you've got to say look maybe 811 00:39:50,650 --> 00:39:48,770 they need to go to a psychiatrist or a 812 00:39:52,930 --> 00:39:50,660 psychologist how difficult can that be 813 00:39:54,460 --> 00:39:52,940 sometimes it's very difficult but 814 00:39:56,140 --> 00:39:54,470 there's a stigma around seeing a 815 00:39:57,220 --> 00:39:56,150 psychologist I think some people think 816 00:39:59,290 --> 00:39:57,230 you know you're going to judge them 817 00:40:01,210 --> 00:39:59,300 about being a mental case but it's not 818 00:40:02,710 --> 00:40:01,220 really about that it's about combining 819 00:40:04,930 --> 00:40:02,720 the disciplines to make it work better 820 00:40:06,819 --> 00:40:04,940 for you so often you know someone has an 821 00:40:09,160 --> 00:40:06,829 eating disorder or a really poor 822 00:40:10,510 --> 00:40:09,170 self-esteem bad body image step is a 823 00:40:13,089 --> 00:40:10,520 little bit beyond my scope of practice 824 00:40:14,380 --> 00:40:13,099 that's when I refer on now I have had a 825 00:40:15,849 --> 00:40:14,390 theory that I've mentioned to a few 826 00:40:17,530 --> 00:40:15,859 experts it hasn't done too well but 827 00:40:19,210 --> 00:40:17,540 pretty much every medical problem can be 828 00:40:22,420 --> 00:40:19,220 solved with either dexamphetamine or 829 00:40:23,440 --> 00:40:22,430 MDMA and dietary wise why not just dose 830 00:40:25,299 --> 00:40:23,450 everybody up with a huge amount of 831 00:40:27,880 --> 00:40:25,309 German index amphetamine and there you 832 00:40:30,880 --> 00:40:27,890 go weight loss oh gosh because that 833 00:40:33,240 --> 00:40:30,890 affects the brain yeah well there is 834 00:40:36,400 --> 00:40:33,250 that there is that yeah yeah look 835 00:40:38,950 --> 00:40:36,410 they're not long-term solutions to a 836 00:40:41,109 --> 00:40:38,960 life you know a lot of a long term life 837 00:40:42,640 --> 00:40:41,119 I guess so you know you can do the 838 00:40:44,020 --> 00:40:42,650 Jeremiah and stuff for a certain period 839 00:40:46,359 --> 00:40:44,030 of time and they do have a lot of time 840 00:40:48,130 --> 00:40:46,369 ping that's right and then not sleeping 841 00:40:50,170 --> 00:40:48,140 as well and then somehow you're going to 842 00:40:52,270 --> 00:40:50,180 come off it sometimes so better to learn 843 00:40:54,010 --> 00:40:52,280 to deal with the food and your behaviors 844 00:40:55,809 --> 00:40:54,020 straight off the bat rather than going 845 00:40:57,549 --> 00:40:55,819 on to medications this is what you spoke 846 00:40:58,809 --> 00:40:57,559 about with the rebound affecting it and 847 00:41:00,670 --> 00:40:58,819 even without medication you're going to 848 00:41:02,109 --> 00:41:00,680 rebound effect from any diet don't you 849 00:41:03,549 --> 00:41:02,119 sometimes yeah they're pretty much how 850 00:41:05,170 --> 00:41:03,559 you see it all the time people give up 851 00:41:07,809 --> 00:41:05,180 chocolate and then three weeks later 852 00:41:10,059 --> 00:41:07,819 they're binge eating or with the even 853 00:41:12,130 --> 00:41:10,069 with lap band surgery people find out 854 00:41:13,420 --> 00:41:12,140 how to get around it oh yes this is an 855 00:41:15,010 --> 00:41:13,430 interesting one because yeah I see 856 00:41:17,380 --> 00:41:15,020 people that have had that and most 857 00:41:19,599 --> 00:41:17,390 people it doesn't help long term is that 858 00:41:21,819 --> 00:41:19,609 am i right and say that or not so they 859 00:41:23,920 --> 00:41:21,829 are finding now that people after about 860 00:41:25,480 --> 00:41:23,930 10 years of having a lap-band do 861 00:41:28,120 --> 00:41:25,490 actually rebound 862 00:41:29,410 --> 00:41:28,130 percentage so it's not the whole you 863 00:41:31,090 --> 00:41:29,420 know population of people that have lap 864 00:41:32,680 --> 00:41:31,100 bands but there's a big majority and 865 00:41:33,880 --> 00:41:32,690 that's because like I said you learn to 866 00:41:35,859 --> 00:41:33,890 get around these things because I 867 00:41:37,150 --> 00:41:35,869 haven't actually dealt with the issues 868 00:41:39,190 --> 00:41:37,160 which is the emotional eating and 869 00:41:41,650 --> 00:41:39,200 behavior so I've heard of patients 870 00:41:43,540 --> 00:41:41,660 liquefying chocolate bars so that they 871 00:41:45,460 --> 00:41:43,550 can get in more chocolate and of course 872 00:41:47,410 --> 00:41:45,470 that has a lot of calories and that's 873 00:41:49,240 --> 00:41:47,420 what it's all about but what I've done I 874 00:41:51,910 --> 00:41:49,250 don't really call it a diet I followed 875 00:41:53,740 --> 00:41:51,920 it as an Oprah idea I fat busted my 876 00:41:56,680 --> 00:41:53,750 house so I don't have any chocolate 877 00:41:58,960 --> 00:41:56,690 chips ice cream or anything like that in 878 00:42:00,609 --> 00:41:58,970 the house so if i do feel emotionally 879 00:42:02,260 --> 00:42:00,619 attracted or something i don't eat it 880 00:42:03,790 --> 00:42:02,270 but the problem is if I'm at a party and 881 00:42:06,040 --> 00:42:03,800 there's a bit there I will have it at a 882 00:42:07,930 --> 00:42:06,050 party so we'll do it that way is that 883 00:42:09,880 --> 00:42:07,940 any kind of way to run a railroad as far 884 00:42:12,100 --> 00:42:09,890 as a diet goes no I think I'm 885 00:42:14,410 --> 00:42:12,110 environmental cues play a big role in 886 00:42:16,060 --> 00:42:14,420 what we eat so if you put food away in 887 00:42:18,160 --> 00:42:16,070 the cupboards so that you don't see them 888 00:42:20,290 --> 00:42:18,170 and you're not prompted so that appetite 889 00:42:24,160 --> 00:42:20,300 starts to comment on you know in there 890 00:42:26,020 --> 00:42:24,170 the issue then you reduce your eating so 891 00:42:27,850 --> 00:42:26,030 you know not having food in the house is 892 00:42:29,290 --> 00:42:27,860 one way to do it and look there's no 893 00:42:31,480 --> 00:42:29,300 reason why you can't have birthday cake 894 00:42:33,700 --> 00:42:31,490 at a birthday that's a normal part of 895 00:42:35,500 --> 00:42:33,710 eating oh okay yeah well there's also 896 00:42:37,510 --> 00:42:35,510 the bachelor diet that I do which is the 897 00:42:39,430 --> 00:42:37,520 news Lee diet if you're hungry have some 898 00:42:41,170 --> 00:42:39,440 low-fat mutually still hungry have some 899 00:42:43,599 --> 00:42:41,180 warm usually had enough musically don't 900 00:42:45,640 --> 00:42:43,609 eat anymore now that seems to work for 901 00:42:47,320 --> 00:42:45,650 me now a diet airily is there a problem 902 00:42:49,300 --> 00:42:47,330 with that because I do put milk in it so 903 00:42:51,190 --> 00:42:49,310 I'm getting my dairy yeah will you 904 00:42:53,020 --> 00:42:51,200 missing your vegetables and you're free 905 00:42:54,400 --> 00:42:53,030 to take that's like what the frozen food 906 00:42:56,650 --> 00:42:54,410 packages in their thing I just put them 907 00:42:59,349 --> 00:42:56,660 in the microwave bang so I can do that I 908 00:43:00,550 --> 00:42:59,359 just thought if is newly in okay food to 909 00:43:02,380 --> 00:43:00,560 have a few if you're having an emotional 910 00:43:05,020 --> 00:43:02,390 I want to eat something is it reasonably 911 00:43:06,970 --> 00:43:05,030 safe yeah look it depends what brandom 912 00:43:08,560 --> 00:43:06,980 usually choose if it's a rule muesli 913 00:43:10,660 --> 00:43:08,570 that doesn't have any added sugars in 914 00:43:12,280 --> 00:43:10,670 there then that's a good choice but it's 915 00:43:12,859 --> 00:43:12,290 all about portion control remember so 916 00:43:14,749 --> 00:43:12,869 you don't want to 917 00:43:17,150 --> 00:43:14,759 binge eating on muesli just because you 918 00:43:18,470 --> 00:43:17,160 think it's healthy oh yeah what is the 919 00:43:20,089 --> 00:43:18,480 food that people tend to mistakenly 920 00:43:22,940 --> 00:43:20,099 think is healthy and they can eat as 921 00:43:24,799 --> 00:43:22,950 much as they like oh I think gluten free 922 00:43:27,769 --> 00:43:24,809 everybody thinks that gluten free is 923 00:43:29,599 --> 00:43:27,779 calorie free when it's not yeah we'll go 924 00:43:31,160 --> 00:43:29,609 check to bessie bardot about this at one 925 00:43:32,870 --> 00:43:31,170 stage she had the gluten-free diet and 926 00:43:34,220 --> 00:43:32,880 all that kind of thing and I didn't do 927 00:43:35,779 --> 00:43:34,230 an investigation what guten was 928 00:43:37,519 --> 00:43:35,789 overlooked it must be something with fat 929 00:43:39,620 --> 00:43:37,529 and that kind of thing and turns out 930 00:43:40,609 --> 00:43:39,630 that really if you are doing that you've 931 00:43:42,890 --> 00:43:40,619 got to all this other stuff to lose 932 00:43:44,960 --> 00:43:42,900 weight yeah yeah you definitely a look 933 00:43:47,599 --> 00:43:44,970 weight loss is all about your calorie 934 00:43:49,130 --> 00:43:47,609 intake yeah and energy expenditure and 935 00:43:50,749 --> 00:43:49,140 that's the money shot that we wanted 936 00:43:52,609 --> 00:43:50,759 that's the one we won't get that and but 937 00:43:54,200 --> 00:43:52,619 people tend to forget that yeah well 938 00:43:55,940 --> 00:43:54,210 because it's too simple for them of 939 00:43:58,400 --> 00:43:55,950 course you know we exclude people with 940 00:43:59,989 --> 00:43:58,410 medical conditions that's different but 941 00:44:01,640 --> 00:43:59,999 it's basically we've got to eat less and 942 00:44:03,289 --> 00:44:01,650 we got to move more and I think they're 943 00:44:04,940 --> 00:44:03,299 moving more as well as where people 944 00:44:06,859 --> 00:44:04,950 forget because people don't like doing 945 00:44:08,839 --> 00:44:06,869 exercise so sometimes it's easier to do 946 00:44:11,150 --> 00:44:08,849 a fad diet and starve yourself then 947 00:44:12,980 --> 00:44:11,160 actually going outside for a walk so 948 00:44:14,660 --> 00:44:12,990 that's what we got to change and when it 949 00:44:15,769 --> 00:44:14,670 comes to body image you obviously deal 950 00:44:19,039 --> 00:44:15,779 with people all the time they have a 951 00:44:20,569 --> 00:44:19,049 skewed body image um how should you do 952 00:44:22,700 --> 00:44:20,579 it should you work it out on your BMI 953 00:44:24,229 --> 00:44:22,710 how you feel happy about yourself how 954 00:44:26,900 --> 00:44:24,239 you ask your friends what's the way to 955 00:44:28,849 --> 00:44:26,910 work it out yeah there's always a 956 00:44:30,340 --> 00:44:28,859 predetermined level or a shape that we 957 00:44:32,020 --> 00:44:30,350 like we'll wait about 958 00:44:34,300 --> 00:44:32,030 so so you gotta ask yourself what's 959 00:44:35,770 --> 00:44:34,310 comfortable for starters what's keeping 960 00:44:38,920 --> 00:44:35,780 your health in check so if your blood 961 00:44:40,450 --> 00:44:38,930 work is all normal then that's okay but 962 00:44:43,000 --> 00:44:40,460 you have to be happy with what you look 963 00:44:44,620 --> 00:44:43,010 like in the mirror yeah because you can 964 00:44:47,590 --> 00:44:44,630 be within the BMI but if you're not 965 00:44:50,230 --> 00:44:47,600 happy well then what's the point and you 966 00:44:51,850 --> 00:44:50,240 know the level of sacrifice so what's 967 00:44:53,710 --> 00:44:51,860 the point of being in a healthy body 968 00:44:56,050 --> 00:44:53,720 weight range if you have to starve 969 00:44:57,580 --> 00:44:56,060 yourself all day so again someone can 970 00:45:01,060 --> 00:44:57,590 still be healthy and sit in the 971 00:45:02,770 --> 00:45:01,070 overweight category you know have good 972 00:45:05,920 --> 00:45:02,780 blood work and stuff without overly 973 00:45:07,420 --> 00:45:05,930 restricting or feeling deprived and when 974 00:45:09,430 --> 00:45:07,430 you come down on the side of women's 975 00:45:11,260 --> 00:45:09,440 magazines having an effect on people's 976 00:45:13,810 --> 00:45:11,270 body image generally and the popular 977 00:45:15,220 --> 00:45:13,820 culture runs in the supermarket queue 978 00:45:16,210 --> 00:45:15,230 and they see someone in a magazine who 979 00:45:18,010 --> 00:45:16,220 doesn't look like that anyway because 980 00:45:20,920 --> 00:45:18,020 it's mean Photoshop and what do you 981 00:45:22,690 --> 00:45:20,930 think of that yeah all those images and 982 00:45:24,910 --> 00:45:22,700 especially on social media to seeing 983 00:45:27,220 --> 00:45:24,920 perfect bodies all the time really you 984 00:45:30,010 --> 00:45:27,230 know warps our version of the world 985 00:45:31,480 --> 00:45:30,020 which is it helpful so now generate for 986 00:45:33,700 --> 00:45:31,490 teens and stuff I wouldn't recommend 987 00:45:35,410 --> 00:45:33,710 that they follow like fitspo for example 988 00:45:37,570 --> 00:45:35,420 it doesn't help their self-esteem and a 989 00:45:40,060 --> 00:45:37,580 lot of the psychology research points to 990 00:45:41,980 --> 00:45:40,070 the more exposure you have these images 991 00:45:44,020 --> 00:45:41,990 the worst your self-esteem actually 992 00:45:45,520 --> 00:45:44,030 becomes so it's more so you know if you 993 00:45:47,740 --> 00:45:45,530 like looking at that type of thing maybe 994 00:45:50,470 --> 00:45:47,750 in just small doses and have media 995 00:45:52,690 --> 00:45:50,480 literacy so know that Photoshop exists 996 00:45:54,760 --> 00:45:52,700 and it exists to trick people into 997 00:45:57,430 --> 00:45:54,770 buying things or into doing certain 998 00:45:59,470 --> 00:45:57,440 things and what's the thing like with 999 00:46:01,450 --> 00:45:59,480 alcoholism or any sort of drug addiction 1000 00:46:02,740 --> 00:46:01,460 when it starts to affect your work or 1001 00:46:04,480 --> 00:46:02,750 you're hiding things from people that's 1002 00:46:06,970 --> 00:46:04,490 when you have to worry is it the same 1003 00:46:08,470 --> 00:46:06,980 with food when should what's a cue that 1004 00:46:10,320 --> 00:46:08,480 you should think oh maybe I should talk 1005 00:46:12,210 --> 00:46:10,330 to someone about this yeah 1006 00:46:14,070 --> 00:46:12,220 if you're hiding food or you're afraid 1007 00:46:16,080 --> 00:46:14,080 to eat in front of people or you feel 1008 00:46:17,850 --> 00:46:16,090 ashamed for what you're doing that's 1009 00:46:20,010 --> 00:46:17,860 definitely a good cue to go see someone 1010 00:46:21,600 --> 00:46:20,020 because it means that some you know 1011 00:46:23,640 --> 00:46:21,610 you're not feeling so great about things 1012 00:46:25,920 --> 00:46:23,650 especially in your relationship with 1013 00:46:27,660 --> 00:46:25,930 food might not be so good you can work 1014 00:46:29,640 --> 00:46:27,670 on especially the skeptics night here 1015 00:46:31,350 --> 00:46:29,650 and we deal with we see a lot of you 1016 00:46:34,110 --> 00:46:31,360 that goes on all this sort of stuff that 1017 00:46:35,610 --> 00:46:34,120 what's the one whoo the one food myth 1018 00:46:36,930 --> 00:46:35,620 that you could get rid of if you could 1019 00:46:38,640 --> 00:46:36,940 get rid of it what would it be the one 1020 00:46:41,280 --> 00:46:38,650 that people sing before for all the time 1021 00:46:43,410 --> 00:46:41,290 and you see in your line of work the the 1022 00:46:46,050 --> 00:46:43,420 low carb things so getting rid of carbs 1023 00:46:47,580 --> 00:46:46,060 and the cars makes you fat but carbs are 1024 00:46:49,500 --> 00:46:47,590 healthy all the research has shown that 1025 00:46:51,690 --> 00:46:49,510 carves help reduce risk of chronic 1026 00:46:54,360 --> 00:46:51,700 health conditions so it's all about 1027 00:46:55,800 --> 00:46:54,370 moderation you know plates of rice not a 1028 00:46:58,740 --> 00:46:55,810 good thing if you eat a little bit of 1029 00:47:00,540 --> 00:46:58,750 rice then that's fine so yeah moderation 1030 00:47:02,340 --> 00:47:00,550 it comes down to thank you for talking 1031 00:47:03,810 --> 00:47:02,350 to us tonight I see a lot of people want 1032 00:47:05,520 --> 00:47:03,820 talk to you hear some of them would soup 1033 00:47:07,500 --> 00:47:05,530 spoons we'll see what happens where can 1034 00:47:09,750 --> 00:47:07,510 we see you online or engage with you 1035 00:47:11,730 --> 00:47:09,760 just visit triple-double you Gabriel 1036 00:47:14,100 --> 00:47:11,740 mastin com okay thank you very much 1037 00:47:16,020 --> 00:47:14,110 thank you thank you no I'll Holly 1038 00:47:28,300 --> 00:47:16,030 usually and I'll get this portion 1039 00:47:35,090 --> 00:47:32,510 on Maynard condo you on this episode of 1040 00:47:42,560 --> 00:47:35,100 bunga bunga episode 13 we've got pooping 1041 00:47:45,290 --> 00:47:42,570 we've got the sound of music we've got 1042 00:47:49,090 --> 00:47:45,300 Maynard's money shot theater a new one I 1043 00:47:54,650 --> 00:47:52,400 certainly want to see that I think Tim's 1044 00:47:57,410 --> 00:47:54,660 historical hypothetical crank mail rang 1045 00:48:02,450 --> 00:47:57,420 ma'am milf that's music I would like to 1046 00:48:04,740 --> 00:48:02,460 forget music I'd like to forget to four 1047 00:48:07,080 --> 00:48:04,750 games 1048 00:48:10,340 --> 00:48:07,090 that's good i had an expression called 1049 00:48:14,190 --> 00:48:10,350 pilf which was premier I'd like to 1050 00:48:15,870 --> 00:48:14,200 forget we'll also be looking at tinder 1051 00:48:17,220 --> 00:48:15,880 see if we can find ourselves a date as 1052 00:48:19,110 --> 00:48:17,230 well a little bit later on the show and 1053 00:48:26,130 --> 00:48:19,120 just mucking around like you wouldn't 1054 00:48:47,580 --> 00:48:26,140 believe good morning menswear on Maynard 1055 00:48:51,940 --> 00:48:50,140 thank you for listening to the skeptic 1056 00:48:54,580 --> 00:48:51,950 zone this week thank you indeed and 1057 00:48:55,630 --> 00:48:54,590 coming up next week as I mentioned at 1058 00:48:58,450 --> 00:48:55,640 the top of the show I think we'll have 1059 00:49:00,790 --> 00:48:58,460 some more our reports revolving around 1060 00:49:03,940 --> 00:49:00,800 that government announcement about 1061 00:49:07,450 --> 00:49:03,950 vaccinations I'll be looking at a new TV 1062 00:49:09,160 --> 00:49:07,460 show with Neil deGrasse Tyson where he 1063 00:49:12,430 --> 00:49:09,170 interviews people that should be an 1064 00:49:15,550 --> 00:49:12,440 interesting now report there'll be more 1065 00:49:19,000 --> 00:49:15,560 coming up from Heidi more from Joe 1066 00:49:22,330 --> 00:49:19,010 alabaster of course end and news of a 1067 00:49:25,150 --> 00:49:22,340 new reporter yeah we have a new reporter 1068 00:49:27,700 --> 00:49:25,160 starting on the skeptic zone mmm soon 1069 00:49:30,730 --> 00:49:27,710 I'll leave you in suspense who will it 1070 00:49:32,830 --> 00:49:30,740 be find out soon anyway and I hope soon 1071 00:49:34,930 --> 00:49:32,840 to bring you some news about Tam the 1072 00:49:38,920 --> 00:49:34,940 amazing meeting with James Randi coming 1073 00:49:42,400 --> 00:49:38,930 up in Las Vegas in July oh goodness me 1074 00:49:44,170 --> 00:49:42,410 it's hot in Las Vegas in July mm-hmm but 1075 00:49:51,340 --> 00:49:44,180 for this week this is Richard Saunders 1076 00:49:52,930 --> 00:49:51,350 signing off from Sydney Australia you've 1077 00:49:56,950 --> 00:49:52,940 been listening to the skeptic zone 1078 00:49:59,830 --> 00:49:56,960 podcast visit our website at WCA pegs on 1079 00:50:03,730 --> 00:49:59,840 TV for contacts and archive of all 1080 00:50:06,040 --> 00:50:03,740 episodes since 2008 and our online 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